The cause of liberty has taken quite a hit in recent years. The Coronavirus pandemic ushered in far-reach state intervention and we now see liberal principles under attack in Ukraine. With all this in mind, is there a case for optimism?

In this episode, Christopher Snowdon sits down with Johan Norberg, author and Senior Fellow at the Cato Institute to discuss the above question. They explore a variety of issues and debate whether optimism is warranted.